Online Marketing: Hard-Earned Insights

February 18, 2025
Phil Krone

How can we understand the wizardry that is today’s marketing–and what it can, and cannot, do?

Thanks in part to steadily improving online functionality, marketing has changed dramatically in the past ten years. And, thanks to the pandemic, marketing has changed even more dramatically in just the past year.

We’ve all seen it “in the news.” But here at Productive Strategies we’ve also seen it in our relationships with prospects, clients, vendors, and others in the day-to-day business mix. You have, too, no doubt. But seeing, understanding, and applying are three different things. Selling and marketing changes have opened new opportunities for services in our own business and allowed us to advise others on opportunities—and challenges—in their businesses.

So, what have we found, what have we done, and what do we advise?

One new skill-building hoop we’ve helped our clients jump through is to answer a question: How do you take advantage of new channels, both those new only to you or, in fact, new to the world?

Ironically, two traditional, tried-and-true answers apply: “It depends” and “very carefully.”

Many people claim to know  how to optimize pay-per-click advertising, for example. But how many actually do? Surprisingly few, in our experience. And for good reason. While the PPC concept is simple to understand, making it work is not. There are just too many nuances, and the search engines keep changing them by changing the rules.

The pay-per-click advertising programs offered by the major search engines are complex. And, not surprisingly, search engine salespeople seem to strive to produce volume, which essentially translates into “more hits.” Accounts, again in our experience, may well be configured mainly to grow sales, yes, but in a way that can be a big waste of your time.

Take our case.  We offer about 30 business development products and services. We focus on consultative sales training and lead generation in business-to-business environments and several support tools, such as marketing, marketing communications, and sales and marketing alignment. So, “sales” are indeed what our prospects and clients are interested in—but “sales” in a specific way: a critical point the search engine we used (and still use, by the way, though more productively) didn’t quite pick up on until we figured out that we had to explain it to them more clearly.


“Today, it’s not about  Get the traffic.
It’s about  Get the targeted and relevant traffic.
—Adam Audette


This search engine suggests you provide thousands of words that describe what you do. If you don’t, can’t, or won’t, they will provide those words for you. Unfortunately, they’re seemingly satisfied with words that elicit as many clicks as possible, but aren’t necessarily those that hit the target. We’re satisfied only with  bullseyes.

You see the problem.  Which we didn’t until . . . we discovered that our search engine salespeople, who tend to come and go too often for our taste, added  hundreds of words  that would attract attention but had very little, if nothing, to do with our work. While we provided such keywords as  consultative sales training, business-to-business selling,  and  B2B lead generation , the search engine also posted keywords like  sales sales sales  and  best sale ever . Who checks out words like that? Pretty much everybody.

The responses, of course, required us to devote time and energy to prospects who really weren’t prospects. (Taking minimal time and energy, true, but still a distraction that our business—or any business—can ill afford.)

But, as usual, we like to see such experiences as glass-half-full opportunities instead of glass-half-empty failures.

So, once we removed the “bad,”  or at least irrelevant, words suggested by the search engine and added more of our own “good” words, we began to see immediate results. We now offer search engine optimization services to our clients because we realize that the “sales support” from the search engines themselves can be inadequate and even many of the consultants in this still-evolving space haven’t mastered the process.

We do perform pieces of the work in which we have expertise ourselves—content development strategy, copywriting, and aligning marketing and sales, for instance. But an invaluable piece of our service, we’ve found, is to help clients simply to  find  the SEO expertise that’s right for them and their businesses. Something you could do yourself? Sure, but at what cost? As we’ve learned, and just explained, knowing how to navigate the turbulence of cyberspace marketing can be extremely valuable.


“Things don’t have to change the world to be important.”
—Steve Jobs


And that’s not all: Two things to know about LinkedIn.

First, when you post to LinkedIn your message does not go to your entire network as many people suspect it does. For efficiency’s sake, LinkedIn uses an algorithm to see how many people like and share your post. If there is quick response, and activity related to liking and sharing, LinkedIn sends the post to another group within your network. Recently, our  video on sales funnels  received more than a thousand views. We did notice that the responses came in waves as the popular video was released to more of our network, and as other people shared our post and got reactions from their network.

Second, there are two ways that we benefit from LinkedIn and that you might, too. The first is using it to find people in our network who change jobs. We send out a new edition of the column you are reading now once a month to thousands of clients, prospects, and people in our network. It keeps us top of mind with people who may not have a current need. We take the bounces from our e-mailing and use LinkedIn to find out where people have moved to. Another use is that sometimes we have been unable to find the people, but because we are still linked to their personal e-mail, they see posts we make on LinkedIn. We recently picked up new business from someone who had dropped off our regular e-mail-blast list, but to whom we were still connected. He read one of our posts and brought us some new business.

Finally,  in  with the old.  While recently moving our offices within the complex we’ve enjoyed for the past 25 years, we discovered an embarrassingly large amount of sales support material printed in volume over the years to get attractive pricing. Although we do find that direct mail still works, but not always in the same way, we had in fact cut back on our own mailings.

Now, however, we see an opportunity to use these valuable marketing materials, even though our mailing address is not  quite  the same. (Normally, we don’t believe that “close enough is good enough,” but in this case we saw fit to ignore the rule—a good thing to do, occasionally.) Our plan now is to drop a major direct-mail campaign to the thousands of already targeted customers, prospects, and others in our database. That direct mail advertising is not used as much right now means it should attract attention and will yield a good return on investment. At least that’s what we’re hoping. We’ll let you know in a future column.

What experiences have you had with online marketing? What have you noticed that others might benefit from knowing? Please share them with us and we’ll try to share some of them in this column.

In any event, please get in touch with us if you’d like to talk about your sales processes and training, lead generation, or marketing or other business development options. We’re still at 847-446-0008 and  pkrone@productivestrategies. com.

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And not only was that description confusing, but it also called the reps’ competence into question. Another instance that’s perhaps a little more subtle comes from a networking group I was in. Whenever one of our members gave the elevator speech version of his product, he said he provided sexual harassment training. No, just the opposite. He provided sexual harassment prevention training. He was not offering training in how to harass people. Protecting how you’re different from competition can be a valuable investment. For the Lettuce Entertain You restaurant group, restaurant design is a key differentiator. Before launching a new concept, the design is top secret, down to details like the tablecloths and the kind of wood that provided the concept’s style and personality. These things were protected with the help of intellectual property (IP) attorneys. At one point we trained the business developers of the company that supplied the wood elements for a Lettuce Entertain You restaurant design—in this case, Maggiano’s Little Italy. The specific elements that made up the various woods themselves as well as how they were incorporated into the design were extremely detailed. You don’t have to be in the restaurant business to take away a key lesson here. We’ve found that too many business owners and executives assume that what they do is not different enough from what their competitors do to set their businesses apart. In some thirty years of working with myriad B2B companies, we have never come across a business that didn’t have important points of differentiation. Your business is different, whether you think so or not, and that difference can be invaluable not only in marketing but also in sales. Keep in mind that information can be discovered and developed in many different and imaginative ways. For example, Subaru reportedly identified a new color for its cars—Cool Gray Khaki—by tracking trends in ski jackets. The insights improved targeting of at least one marketing segment for cars—young, active people—by better understanding what trends they were buying in other areas. In 2018, 18 percent of all the cars Subaru sold were Cool Gray Khaki. Finally, while we all know this cyber information safety tip, it bears repeating—at least from our own experience as well as that of others. If you’re too eager to come up with new insights, you can put yourself in harm’s way by clicking on email links or attached files whose sources you don’t really know. It’s especially important when their appearance mimics trusted sources you do know. We all also know the solution. To determine a source’s validity, call, text, or email that source separately. Some forty years ago, futurist and author of the mega-bestselling book Megatrends, famously said: “We are drowning in information but starved for knowledge.” That statement might or might not still be true. One thing that is true is that we’ve learned a lot more about how to turn information into knowledge, which makes the information we can absorb without drowning all the more valuable. To learn more, please call us at 847-446-0008 Ext. 1 or pkrone@productivestrategies.com .
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